Do you believe sidekicks were necessary? Or would sidekicks have been better had they just played it straight? Why were sidekicks usually dressed raggedy?
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KanSmiley |
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A lot of discussion has gone about who was the best sidekick and who were just totally terrible. Oscar and Elmor come to mind. Smiley Burnette in Dick Tracy.
Do you believe sidekicks were necessary? Or would sidekicks have been better had they just played it straight? Why were sidekicks usually dressed raggedy?
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Black Tigrrr.movieserialmess... |
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I don't think Oscar & Elmer would be considered true sidekicks. Just comic relief.
Sidekicks were generally more acceptable in B Westerns than serials. Hey Smiley, ever get your hand out of that vase from Dick Tracy? |
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Captain Canuck |
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Oscar and Elmer weren't comic relief. Relief only came when their comedy routine stopped.
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Captain Canuck |
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Actually, Kan, there was a really good discussion on the matter at SerialFest. Ace was the moderator and took copious notes for inclusion in his next seminar
at whatever graduate university he teaches this subject. However if you ask him nicely, and since you have been such a long standing member of this ad hoc
organization, Ace might let you see a watered down version of his lecture for a nominal fee.
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Chuck White |
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Captain Canuck wrote:Captain, you are being much too kind in calling what those two do a "comedy routine". Comedy is supposed to come from the tragic, it is not supposed to be a travesty unto itself. |
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toddgault.movieserialmess... |
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Here's a question, what constitutes a side kick and what constitutes a co-hero?
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Black Tigrrr.movieserialmess... |
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I think of sidekick and co-hero as the same. Just sometimes they were serious and sometimes comic.
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Chuck White |
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I think of a sidekick as someone who helps out, but probably couldn't do the work all on their own. A co-hero has equal billing, so to speak, and could do the job themselves, if required. |
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KanSmiley |
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Chuck White wrote:I tend to agree with Bats on this one. A sidekick can be a good assistant but not all the time. I'm currently watching a TV series called BURN NOTICE. It is a hero - sidekick - girl combination. Jeffery Donovan plays the cool, intelligent hero. Bruce Campbell plays the "sidekick". Campbell's character is the muscle in the series. As Bats says, in Campbell's case, probably couldn't do the job on his own but is a darned good helper. I would describe this series as combination James Bond/MacGyver.
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toddgault.movieserialmess... |
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That is a good show, I love Donovan's narration on it. The reason I asked the question is that there are some serials that don't fit the hero/
sidekick mold. The Fighting Marines comes to mind, is the hero Grant Withers or Adrian Morris as they both seem to have equal status in the plot. Then
there is Daredevils of the Red Circle. Is Charles Quigley the hero with two sidekicks or all are all three of them heroes of equal status?
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39 O 13 |
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The genesis of the sidekick role is that most early serials had a sidekick, but it was either a "(kid) sidekick" or "(comedy) sidekick"
... so the role more or less ended up tending towards the comedic. But then you have Rustlers of Red Dog. Of course, Johnny Mack Brown is the hero, there are
no "co-heroes" ... but Walter Miller is not like a "comedy" sidekick at all. He has a couple bits of humor, but certainly is not
incompetent, nor is he comedic. You see this in a few serials, but not most of them.
"You're paying us to find the buried treasure of Captain Kidd--not set forest fires"<br>--Lewis (Marcus Danforth), King of the Park Rangers
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Pa Stark.movieserialmess... |
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As to the original question, sidekicks or co-heroes are only necessary if played by a capable actor. Actors like Richard Fiske, Hal Taliaferro, Eddie Acuff,
William Benedict, Duncan Renaldo, Clancy Cooper, and others had the presence and personality to justify their roles, but many of the post 1945 Republics had a
second lead that you wouldn't recognise if he was sitting next to you while you were screening it. Anyone remember what Sandy Sanders, Wilson Wood, Johnny
Spencer, or James Dale looked like?
Remember, you can always trust Honest Pa Stark |
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Chuck White |
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Pa Stark wrote: Who??? |
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Captain Canuck |
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The original question is 'Are sidekicks necessary?' and I would say yes. There are definitely necessary. They give the hero someone with whom to
explain plot points. Rather than talking to the camra, which would look stupid he could tell his sidekick, "Look there! That's the same horseshoe
track with the loose nail. They're heading to cut off the wagon train! Let's hurry." Also talking to the camera might give the audience the
impression that the actors thought the audience was too stupid to understand what was going on. Smiley Burnette did just that on occasion.
Now has to how effecitve the sidekick was is another matter. Duncan Renaldo was always an effective sidekick. Eddie Quillan was usually an effective sidekick. Smiley Burnette was not. Sometimes the role traditionally demanded a sidekick. Robin seems to be a necessary part of the Batman series. The absence of Bucky in the Captain America serial is been a sore point with many of you. |
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Black Tigrrr.movieserialmess... |
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Not for me, Cap. Good riddance to little Bucky!
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KanSmiley |
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Chuck White wrote:It's not Who??? you silly. It's The Who. They were a rock n roll group from the 70s. I do have to agree with you Bats. I don't know who any of the four people are.
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Last Edited By: KanSmiley 07/05/09 09:34:42.
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toddgault.movieserialmess... |
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Isn't it obvious? They're sidekicks. The real question is who did they sidekick for? Thanks to my handy dandy copy of In the Nick of Time we find
Sandy Sanders was Walter Reed's sidekick in Flying Disc Man From Mars, Wilson Wood was Judd Holdren's side kick in Zombies of the Straosphere as well
as George Wallace's pilot in Radar Men From the Moon, Johnny Spencer was Clayton Moore's sidekick in Jungle Drum of Africa, and James Dale was kirk
Alyn's sidekick in Federal Agents vs. Underworld Inc. Interesting side note, a friend emailed me a while back that Dale was also Kane Richmond's body
double on Spy Smasher, for the shots where Richmond is talking to his twin brother who's back is to the camera.
Todd Gault..........Serial Buff
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